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  1. Okay, another pro hot tip @Phil...MOVE your laptop or where ever it is your read chat now to a place you can SEE IT WHILE PLAYING. This is what streamers have done for years and years before they incorporated stream tool addons to help them with this. While I in no way expect any addons to be incorporated, perhaps, MOVING the laptop so the game AND chat are in the same eyeline would be prudent as this has been a commonplace practice since 2012 for streamers not engaged in PC gaming...where a second monitor on their desk showed the chat.
  2. This thread started in Sept of 2017 has seen an number of very good suggestions. Suggestions I do not feel that @PhiI has taken the time to read as I can safety say that none have been implemented. I will at this time point out that many are well known, well used and financially solvent suggestions having over the past going on 2 years been implemented by other streamers to great success. @PhiI should scroll up to read them. I'll add some others: 1) Be on time. . . period The stream is set at quarter past the hour. I can count on one hand the number of times the stream started at that time in the last month. This is Okay. If it is too early, then set the start time to half past. If the stream manages to start early, then viewers would have to sit through less songs of the 15 min + pre-prestream as I call this segment. Why do I say that being on time to start a stream that has 15+mins of music pre-prestream? The stream is posted to start at a certain time. I will wager that 95% of the viewers either have jobs or classes to attend and know to be on time. Repeated tardiness in our society is frowned on and learned at an early age. Streamers, unlike employees and students, make their own schedules. If quarter past 10AM is to early, then set the time back. The streamer's audience is not only their customers, but also their Boss. A shop that regularly opens late or an employee who regularly shows up late for work will see negative repercussions irl. Going out on a limb, but I will proffer that the 15+ mins of songs is a buffer for tardiness. While this may work on regular viewers who know to tune in at half past, potential new repeat viewers do not. A streamer should be on time to start their stream or push that start time back to a time they can manage. 2) The streamer should engage their audience without having to be prompted to do so. It is the streamer/YTer, the entertainer, who should drive engagement. Tell stories. Ask questions. Doing so will drive income as viewers strive to have their message read ( a-la the Minecraft stream goldmine so many others discovered years ago). This is why the successful streamers/YTers keeps ontop of whatever is relevant to their stream be it games, current events or social media/memes. The streamer/Yter should inform their audience not be informed by them. Folks in this profession are not called 'Influencers' for nothing. Streamers/YTers should strive to be ahead of the curve, ahead of their audience not behind it. They should at the very least be up to speed. Before the 'I can't get games early' card is thrown, being Ahead of the curve means the Streamer does the research and reaches out to the devs. Once you have the game early, what can anyone do? This takes time and effort though. This is why being a successful streamer/YTer is not a 9-5 job. It takes work after the stream is over, after the vid is edited and published. It takes the work of Seeking out the games that are being made before they become common knowledge. It takes time and effort. Does every game pan out? No. Can being on the forefront pay off? YES! PlagueTail did not come out of nowhere. It wasn't even an 'Indie title'*. Which is why so many other people were streaming the game, which caught the eye or your @PhiI's audience, who repeatedly asked it to be played in a timely manner. "stupid questions" are asked by Fans. It is known, that you, @PhiI may not understand why they ask as you have proclaimed to never had any role models, been interested in sports nor have any hobbies, one may safety say that 99.9% of other people have one or more of these as a point of interest. Thus they ask questions. As a streamer/Yter, it is part o f the job to answer these questions: Favorite this or that. If you truly do not have a favorite anything ( which boggles the mind) then make something up. It's not that difficult. Role-players do it all the time. I can offer you several Character Creation sheets with questions to answer for your character**. It's a simple matter of staying IC ( In-Character) during streams. Countless streamers, Yters and Role-Players do this. Prestreams can then be OOC ( Out-Of-Character ) the way role-players talk with each other outside of RPing up to the Cheer/Tip segment where you @PhiI then go IC. *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asobo_Studio ** https://www.roleplayingtips.com/characters/character-questionnaires/
  3. The utility may not require payment of more than seven percent of the customer's monthly income. In addition, the customer must pay one-twelfth of any billings from the date application is made through March 15th. If the customer does not pay the past-due bill by the following October 15th, the customer will not be eligible for protections under this section until the past-due bill is paid. 7% of $10k= $700. One-twelfth of any billing is markedly less with a grace period of 8 months. Using only the Metrics freely available online for Twitch income. Seeing a steady 150,000 Weekly Views on YT, using the conservative $1/1k views for a channel that lacks an MCN, I cannot imagine many bills being paid with a passive income of $150x4/month ( $600) off of YT income for the past year.
  4. In the case of Patreon he acted pennywise and pound foolish in the first place. What's done is done and he did it to himself. He was a 'full time streamer' from the onset back in 2013. Difference being Twich didn't have tips and cheers back then and he was still making enough off YouTube to openly diss Twitch streamers back then who asked viewers to Sub to their Twitch channel ( see below from before cheers and tips were a thing on Twitch with Tweets posted by him before he went back after learning about the additional revenue stream of Tips and cheers): He's a "full time streamer" now, times change...
  5. Not seeking to be banned, but.... @PhiI saying that because you have been able to carry on for ten years might not be the best response to folks who offer legit criticism . You started streaming on Twitch in 2013. LOTS of things have changed since then. To be honest, everyone knows that you know very little about either Twitch, YouTube or how the world in general has changed in the last decade. Knowing this, it would be best if you took a step back before going on rants baited by folks who know you;re going to comment on things you have outdated knowledge about and they can use to make you look bad. This could be easily fixed by putting n a modicum of time reading trade publications to keep abreast of the news an trends related to your 'business'. Denoting every contrary opinion voiced with a BAN does not serve to grow your Brand as new viewers you may wish to foster as return viewers are better served by not being summarily banned on their first day for having names that are felt to be a slight ( Twitch is Millions of channels and multi-Billions of users. Not every name you might think is as a slight against you means it is) and not every new follower who types something you don't like isn't a "detractor" Hate to say it, but get over yourself. Twitch is so much larger than your channel of 400 viewers. One would think the last WoW where 6 folks showed up but only three hung around would have taught You a lesson. As far as addressing critics: 1) Know what you're talking about. If you don't don't pull facts out of your ass as it is a different world than it was ten years ago. As you said a simple Google search can Dox folks on the forums. Not your fault, being such a neophyte but sorry, but YOU are 100% t blame by poking the bear you alone awoke by declaring her as " undoxxable" and gloating over how safe "she was due to her having stopped posting on"Social Media" and after one pic posted on Instagram she was doxxed in less than `15 mins should have taught folks something. Pro Tip: Don't Poke the Bears, but if you do don't blame others should it blow up in your face. 2) Know your soapbox: You may find that you "have to lie to protect your family" Granted not many take it to ..lvls....seen. \ PweDiePie with 100 mill subs most likely has 10mil of then being trolls. He told his fans he WAS going to get married, just not the day...for his easily researched wedding having spent 800thousand + just to rent the space. License , flowers, catering and photos not included to have his wedding at the world renown Kew Gradens with a Honeymoon in Bali . Feelsbadman I guess @PhiI has his reasons for both lying to everyone for months. I believe he recently said that it was to "protect his family". While I am sure he believed this was necessary in his own mind one cannot help mirror much larger YouTubers who did not feel the need to lie about their wedding or adopting pets: While @PhiI adopted a desirable declawed kitten , PewDiePie adopted a one eyed adult dog who most likely would have gone without a loving forever home. https://pewdiepie.fandom.com/wiki/Maya But it is not only this one streamer adopting an adult pet that might not be adopted by other people : (Spudgy was 4 when he was adopted, blind in one eye as well with numerous other problems ( hips, heart and jaw ) known about at the time of adoption) https://youtu.be/8Cogn6x3o78?t=300 RIP- In Memory of Spudgy: 2004-2018 2)Don't bann dissent or assume to know more than the person in chat. 3) Listen to what folks have to say 4) Don't call criticism an attack. Ten years on YouTube should have grown a thicker skin so refrain from banning every comment that might not fall in line to the narrative as that is a noob/SJW thing to do. Most folks might want to help,
  6. @PhiI and anyone else who has a YouTube/Stream, I offer this advice: Look AT and use your Metrics. 1) What are Metrics: Metrics are measures of quantitative assessment commonly used for assessing, comparing, and tracking performance or production. Generally, a group of metrics will typically be used to build a dashboard that management or analysts review on a regular basis to maintain performance assessments, opinions, and business strategies. ( https://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/metrics.asp ) YouTube and other platforms offer availability to extensive information on metric numbers any user can employ to improve their brand ( see below). 2) How can I use metrics? https://www.managementstudyguide.com/what-are-metrics.htm By taking the time to review the metrics available and applying these numbers to a plan ( long or short term) a profitable outcome can be achieved. Using @PhiI as an example, the change from Patron Choice to Sub Goal Choice had a negative effect to the overall income of the business. The regular monthly Patreon income ( $1250) suffered a significant hit while Subscriber income was not significantly increased as The trade off was from $5 to $2.50... not the best trade off when only 250 $5.00 patrons would used to meet the goal it takes 500 Twitch Subs to meet the same goal. Granted 600 subs brings in $1,500, A sub goal could be implemented to to cover the $250 loss much easier with a profit as that is a Sub goal of only 100 people. Penny wise and Pound foolish. Having a steady Sub base of upwards of 500 who may or may not contribute to Patreon now, is a loss of an additional $1250 ( 500x $2.50) who would sub. With 99 Patrons atm for a total of $444 using Metrics tells me the average Patron is giving more that the Twitch sub fee. I would wage that these folks still pay for Twitch subs as well. I would wager that the $1250 patrons also held Subs. The metrics don't lie and this isn't rocket science*. BEST way to maximize your income stream is to keep the one you have while adding onto it not the other way around. Add to this the Tips and Cheers gained every stream and cutting off a tried and true income stream that requires fewer contributors for an imagined gain of $250/month does not seem the best choice. I, however do not have a degree in finance, so perhaps I am basing my numbers on my 4 decades of knowing how to use a calculator and managing a household all on my own. Pro Tip: having paid bills for longer than @PhiI has been alive ( being born before man landed on the Moon ) and most likely longer than anyone reading this I offer this advice: CANCEL any AUTOPAY if you do not have the money in your account to pay the bill as It is less expensive to eat a late fee on a bill than pay a bank overdraft charges. Plus all bills have a grace period to go unpaid. They then charge one a Late Fee which is less than a Bank over draft charge ( just an FYI for @PhiI since he doesn't seem to know this ). Eclectic Companies give you 60+ to pay a bill so that is an easy one to skip month and are not allowed to cut your electric during Summer or Winter due to nonpayment by Law in the States due to health risk from heat death or hypothermia. The More You Know: For Washington State: WASHINGTON Date-basedyes Protection DatesNovember 15-March 15 Temperature-basedno Seasonal PolicyProtection for hardship customers who qualify or apply for energy assistance and enter payment plan. OtherDisconnection is delayed if a medical emergency exists or 10% of the delinquent balance is paid within 5 business days. Need written certification from a qualified medical professional that is valid only for the length of time the health endangerment is certified to exist but no longer than sixty days. Medical certification can be renewed once within 120 days. Deferred PaymentsDisconnection is prohibited if customer agrees and adheres to a monthly payment during the winter period. The utility may not require payment of more than seven percent of the customer's monthly income. In addition, the customer must pay one-twelfth of any billings from the date application is made through March 15th. If the customer does not pay the past-due bill by the following October 15th, the customer will not be eligible for protections under this section until the past-due bill is paid. PUC/PSC ContactsConsumer line: 888-333-9882 Email: consumer@utc.wa.gov Consumer FAQ/Bill of Rightswww. ( SOURCE: https://liheapch.acf.hhs.gov/Disconnect/disconnect.htm ) *( Twitch streamers earn a minimum of 50% of the subscription fees. The more subscribers they have, the more they get to keep. “Top tier partners” get up to 70% of the subscription fees. ~ Source: 2019 article https://wallethacks.com/how-much-do-twitch-streamers-make/ ) Addendum: One has but to call a utility or other company one owes money to to ask for a deferment of payment to a date later in the month. It may possibly take multiple calls if you have a record of late payment for anyone else. I highly suggest anyone in need contact all their bill home or local offices ASAP. It has been my best knowledge that they are more than willing to work with you to pay your bills.
  7. During the prestream it was brought to @PhiI 's attention that YouTube would be making changes after being fined $170Million by the FTC ( Federal Trade Commission ) for COPA violations. While he waved off this well meaning admonishment from a stream viewer (who knew his history of being uninformed) calling it "just a rumor" while allocating blame to channels such as Logan Paul, Markiplier and PewDidPie, it is true and has nothing to do with either person while not understanding that the ads he sees on these videos ARE targeted toward him and others would see different ads targeted toward them based on their internet footprint and going on to declare "why would I worry". YouTube had already sent out emails concerning these changes. The email also detailed the creation of a $100Million fund to help channels during the transition. @PhiI should have received this email. It would be a good idea if he perhaps 'starred' emails from YouTube that they not disappear into the void of his Hotmail Spam folder and by doing such would be able to be informed on policy changes. These most recent changes to be rolled out will most likely only affect his Minecraft videos or any videos of games 'rated E for everyone, E+10 and Teen*'. They are, however, true and will be implemented after a transitional period of three months as stated in the email YouTube sent out to all channels. Other parts of the changes will not affect @PhiI as he does not have sponsors, targeted advertisements or comments enabled on his videos**. While it is recognized that @PhiI knows next to nothing about the many changes that have occurred on YouTube over the past decade, Channels dedicated to producing content targeted at children abound. There is even a special category with an app for these videos named YouTube Kids ( https://youtube.com/kids/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIhvHauIrC5AIVxJyzCh2-oAexEAAYASAAEgLSnfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds ) Truth In Advertising, a Connecticut non-profit that seeks to protect consumers from advertising and marketing that deceives people, filed a complaint with the FTC on Aug. 28 against the channel RyanToysReview with it's estimated $22Million yearly earnings in a separate FTC complaint that YouTube addressed in their mass email as well as the ** quote.*** Both stories have been widely reported on outside of the email sent by YouTube itself. I will not include links to them as a simple Google search I feel will suffice. That @PhiI was unaware of this is baffling. It is hoped that this post will help to inform all parties on this matter and that any who would be affected would do their due diligence to delve into the matter during the 'grace period' YouTube outlined in their mass email to all content creators. When one's income is derived from online media content, it would be a smart decision to stay abreast of the industry news and trends outside of one source , social media ( Twitter ) * https://www.esrb.org/ratings-guide/ **Around the end of this year, YouTube will, in effect, start treating all views of kids-directed videos on YouTube as if every watcher is an actual child, regardless of the viewer's real age. That means it'll limit the data it collects on those views to the bare minimum -- only what's "needed to support the operation of the service," YouTube said. YouTube will also halt kids-oriented videos from having personalized ads, comments and notifications. And it'll require that uploaders tell YouTube when their videos are directed at children. Most of the changes are required by the FTC settlement. One measure -- YouTube tapping machine learning to help police videos being classified correctly for kids -- goes beyond what the FTC requires. (Source: https://www.cnet.com/news/youtube-170m-fine-kids-video-policy-changes-google-settle-ftc-investigation/ ) ** * (Source: https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/youtube-ryan-toysreview-federal-trade-commission-truth-in-advertising-complaint )
  8. Kind of makes one wonder why someone would chose to buy the only 'middle condo' in the entire gated community.
  9. May I ask why someone who has been streaming episodes of Minecraft for as long as they have (120 hrs and counting ) would say the game is boring while still continuing to stream the game every week without fail? There are countless objective as yet unreached in the OP Minecraft thread here on the forum. Granted Mr Papa abandoned the thread to post outside the forum but that in no way diminishes the original posts, it's lists of goals, other posts and alternate threads made about the same game that seem to have gone ignored. If we get down to brass tracks, in the lengthy amount of time that has been weekly allocated to stream Minecraft gameplay( upwards of 120hrs ) the streamer has barely accomplished any number of things even a casual minecraft streamer/*cough * player would have in the same time especially given this streamer is playing a ez-mode console version where crafting is effortless inventory based plug-and-play that removes the need to learn even the smallest aspects of rudimentary crafting mechanics (hence mining diamond with a stone pick two streams ago).
  10. Not seeing as where this is in any way a hard row to hoe" Well glad Derich had his list of skipped nominations as for reasons I cannot understand all previous thread s for the exact same event before this one have...vanished. Keep heart. I shall watch all previous ones and lets folks know what has already been reacted to.
  11. so have I ....and been lean-in banned for the mere suggestion during a stream to let things go and embrace the memes. Since my first ban, bannable typing of frog emotes became two frog sub emotes as has the 'why am I toxic which countless folks got banned for typing. Meme embraced. Forgiveness given? ...He wonders why Wings has so many memes. His failure is understanding how so many others manage to make a living on Twitch and the way they manage to do it is mind boggling *Kappa*.
  12. lol got a bit off tangent. 2) Refrain from alienating a core audience: -Patrons ( see below ) -Jrpgs: Think we all know how that worked out as far as Patreon. -Minecraft: This is in NO WAY meant to be seen as "abusive", but saying your explaining that Minecraft streams are only valid in a short form 2hr or less format is well....incredibly uninformed. I think I can honestly say that your Minecraft streams are the shortest streams of any Minecraft streamers outside of folks who have rl jobs and even they stream longer than 2hr a night after work. As a Minecrafter since Alpha ane one who still watches Minecraft streams and Yt vids ( not applicable as they are edits of longer streams) I think you may be the only person who has been playing for even one day that thinks streaming over 2hrs is enough and streaming longer "would be boring". Saying this, I do not blame you for your standpoint. You never have understood nor embraced the game. Not to flog you with PewDiePie having single handily revived the game, but even Mr Papavera (spelling?) has shown he he has been watching those vids by trying to get you to copy many of the things PewDiePie has already done in his relatively short time playing the game ( a bit over a month as opposed to your going on over a year). Tonight having you nametag a sheep Jeb_ and his asking you to trap him with water and place a bell beside him IS a direct copy of PewDiePie's WaterSheep. While I realize you rely 100% on chat to create the game, you should steer clear of blatant ripoffs of what is now the hands down recognized biggest Minecraft streamer on the entire f'ing internet. It is known that you keep yourself in a self imposed bubble as far as trends go, it is hard to believe you could escape having any knowledge as to how popular Minecraft has been and remains to be. Saying that you cannot stream Minecraft for more than 2hrs as it would become boring is ....well...ludicris. One knows you do not watch other streamers, but it doesn't take more than a few moments review Twitch vogs showing 8-12+hrs on a daily basis are the norm for Minecraft streamers. I dare say in the short period of time PewDiePie has been playing Minecarft he's already logged more hours. He has been captivated by the game enough to play off line and un-recorded due to his actually enjoying playing the game...his family includes two adult dogs ( one of them being adopted due to having only one eye making them far more unadoptable much akin to EatYourKimchi adopting a blind in one eye as well as other health concerns which would make that animals' prospects of being adopted vastly reduced : This said...the recent stream telling a tipper that "giving Jasper a belly rub for them was impossible as cats do not like this and you've done the research" one feels one should point out that while you may have indeed done research telling you that 'cats don't like having their belies rubbed', 2nd in the list of a Google search of this topic was this vid. Also akin to not telling viewers who relate to you that THEIR cats enjoy belly rubs by telling them that you are Right and They are Wrong because 'you've done the research ....there are more pages than I care to post here showing cats happily having their bellies rubbed. Ads a ProTip I offer this:
  13. Few more simple suggestions: 1) Take some pride in the stream: Having been streaming since 2013, things as simple as sizing a slideshow card should already be something well within the streamers capability. Recently, a number of said cards have not correctly sized as to show the broadcast window on either side behind them. This is a rookie mistake that by show be easily avoidable. Allowing this to continue in repeated streams speaks either of a lack of professionalism or a lack of caring ( insert 'meh, good enough who cares' ). After the 'only shave when going out irl to not look like a bum in front of "real people" ' revelation, gonna go with the lack of caring. Taking pride in one's product also means making improvements to it. Yes, we know 11 years making 'content'. In those 11 years, however, things change. Stubbornly clinging to methods first employed 11 years ago ( as per YouTube ) and 6 years ago (as per streaming) with the obligatory legacy strawman being used to deride anyone and everyone trying to help pull the brand kicking and screaming into the present day profits the 'business' nothing. I will at this point 'debunk' the anticipated rote responses by saying that from day one of streaming the chat took a prominent role via near constant hand-holding thus negating the narrative of ever having streamed in an 'isolation chamber'. Secondly, while the use of 'interactive' has taken on a new meaning after the introduction of Cheering ( The beta being rolled out on Twitch in the Fall of 2016) and Tipping ( introduced in Winter of 2017), the very first stream in 2013 and every stream after was by definition 'interactive' due to streaming having an in-real-time chat function that YouTube lacked until they launched their own live streaming. When Phil left Twitch to stream on YouTube in Nov of 2014, a privately run chat was quickly brought online to facilitate a moderated venue of chat interaction. Examples: From 2013 and 2014 ( where the facecam was already being implemented and while cheering and tipping was not yet a thing, chat is clearly being consulted repeatedly) Yeah, as this forum is a bit out of date as far as being 2019 user friendly, it's a good thing I am an OG as far as navigating these sort of posting issues. He can make up what ever he wants. The issues arise when younglings try and correct these misnomers/fallacies and are summarily ridiculed while often being lean-in banned which removed any recourse for rebuttal: Rainy day Fund: Phil: " When you have money saved up....so when it's raining out and you have plans...or have money to blow on a special day and you can't do that anymore like going to go out on the beach one day, but it rained. So instead of going to the beach, we're gonna go to the bowling alley and do some arcade, play some games or something. That's what a Rainy Day Fund is." " It's the textbook definition and if you think otherwise you were taught wrong".blkout stream July 2019 Rest of the world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainy_day_fund Being self employed and budgeting for taxes: Phil: It's impossible and if you were adults you'd know this Rest of the world: https://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/my-money/2013/10/02/how-to-create-a-self-employed-budget (article from 2013) https://www.incharge.org/financial-literacy/budgeting-saving/how-to-make-a-budget/ Most recent the should not have touched period exclamation point: As dsp has been a person who has been party to the effects of Cancel Culture, this seems more than a bit ...well, personally, I don't have the words to describe how wrong this is in every way for him to have typed this. After it came out that the allegations lain against ProJared were complete lies and fabrications ( shown by chat logs, emails and first person testimonials ), one would think a person who them selves suffered the slings and arrows of the internet would rally to the side of Mr. Holwoka who can no longer defend himself nor his family especially after dsp had been open enough to admit their own struggle with depression: feeling unworthy, feeling attacked without evidence Feeling there is no way out ( can't get a job due to the Cancel Culture ). Don't think I need to explain 'Cancel Culture' since he admits to Twitter being his only news feed. For others: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Cancel Culture @PhiI at least watch the two videos below before deleting this post...
  14. You, my friend, don't get it. Portraying himself as 'The inept bumbler who goes off on rants' is his shtick. It has been since the beginning. He doesn't hide it. He openly admits it on stream and in Tweets. He has said that he patterned this persona after that of the AVGN, who he was a fan of. "Looking up tutorials and learn[ing] how to properly play the game" is counter productive to his business model of encouraging backseat gamers 'to help him' via their tips and cheers. The other part of his persona that he has long employed to garner views on YouTube, now is directed toward obtaining followers on Twitch who will in turn hopefully become subscribers because of his rants and 'excuses'. It's all part of the show. There are streamers who genuinely strive to play games to the best of their ability and do not allow handholding/backseat gaming in their chats. If that is what you're after, I suggest you watch their streams.
  15. 11 years* (fixed). The daily retelling of his history as 'a content creator' could easily be removed. People coming to watch a game on Twitch aren't there to hear the life story of the streamer everyday nor do they care. New viewers joining the stream during the lengthy prestream most likely wander off to watch streams that are engaged in gameplay. A good bit of the negative blowback could be eliminated by placing the 'prestream' in the 'Just Chatting' section on Twitch. Streamers who do have prolonged 'prestreams' start their streams in the 'Just Chatting' section for this reason. The prestream could be encapsulated into the 30min of music played everyday before the start of the live portion of the prestream ( the pre-prestream?). Insert a card of the stream schedule that is posted daily on Twitter into the pre-prestream slideshow. This takes care of the 'Week-in-Preview' section of the prestream. There are already cards in the slideshow detailing methods of contributions as well as the information being posted on the channel page. Add a card informing viewers that Tipping is preferred? This is, however, repeated often during the gameplay portion of the stream. Shout-outs for Cheers, Subs and Tips are given during gameplay as they are received. Contributions made during the shortened prestream could be acknowledged while starting the day's gameplay. I will at this time point out that streamers who do have a prestream segment use this time to set-up which allows them time to fiddle with co-op voicechat/deal with any tech difficulties that may arise. This is the only stream I have seen where the streamer has a 'prestream', but waits until after ending said lengthy segment of slideshow cards to set-up their stream/set-up co-op voicechat/deal with tech issues/game updates.
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