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With the arrival of 2016 today, many Americans as well as some people from other countries will focus on the upcoming Presidential Election.  Who will succeed President Obama?  Will it be another Democrat like Hilary Clinton or Bernie Sanders?  Will a Republican like Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, or Marco Rubio take the Oval Office in November?  The first event will be the Iowa Caucus on February 1st.  Here's the schedule:

http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2016-presidential-primary-schedule-calendar/

 

Note: I expect some serious conversations in this thread.  If people go off topic or try to be inappropriate, then I will hand out punishments accordingly. 

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4 minutes ago, Sex_Robot said:

Truthful all of them are as plain as a plank of wood except Trump, which is probably why he is being so successful, sadly.

I entered 2016 with fears that Trump will at least win the GOP nomination.  I predict a Clinton vs. Trump face-off come November.

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4 minutes ago, MasterOfAwesomeness said:

I entered 2016 with fears that Trump will at least win the GOP nomination.  I predict a Clinton vs. Trump face-off come November.

If Trump wins the nom. then the GOP need another 4-8 years to get their shit together cause obviously they're still clueless.

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5 minutes ago, Sex_Robot said:

Truthful all of them are as plain as a plank of wood except Trump, which is probably why he is being so successful, sadly.

I see this as a big reason why people get bamboozled, they're easily swept up by sensationalism instead of sticking to rational arguments, and personality somehow becomes a lot more important than a commitment to policies that make sense. I consider Trump a demagogue, and I'm disturbed that he could win the GOP nomination. 

I guess I would vote for Bernie or Hilary, but I'm Canadian. 

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Hilary and Carsen have already been caught lying so I seriously doubt they have any chance of winning.

I'll vote Trump or Ted.

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Honestly, as long as I have my games I don't really care.

The media have superpowers in america. And even if they fail to sway you, they ll sway who ever gets elected in office. Democracy died with ancient greeks and even then it had its flaws. Now any notion of democracy is a joke. Its all a big mess, no 1 person can fix it.

I stay away and play my games

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1 hour ago, 13hr said:

Honestly, as long as I have my games I don't really care.

The media have superpowers in america. And even if they fail to sway you, they ll sway who ever gets elected in office. Democracy died with ancient greeks and even then it had its flaws. Now any notion of democracy is a joke. Its all a big mess, no 1 person can fix it.

I stay away and play my games

Really, you think having games is more important than an election? 

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3 minutes ago, 13hr said:

Well I meant playing them, not just having them. Just keeping them in closet would be useless, right? 

But yes. 

But people should be invested in politics and at least show some care into the matter.  You want to know why bad politicians get elected?  It's because not everyone in America votes which is a complete waste of a privilege. 

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1 hour ago, 13hr said:

Well I meant playing them, not just having them. Just keeping them in closet would be useless, right? 

But yes. 

You know what, I kinda feel outraged that one would think playing video games is more important than voting in an election.  If you didn't care about politics, then why bother posting in this thread?

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3 hours ago, 13hr said:

Honestly, as long as I have my games I don't really care.

The media have superpowers in america. And even if they fail to sway you, they ll sway who ever gets elected in office. Democracy died with ancient greeks and even then it had its flaws. Now any notion of democracy is a joke. Its all a big mess, no 1 person can fix it.

I stay away and play my games

Democracy has always had flaws and probably always will, but people aren't exactly coming up with strong arguments for alternatives like anarchy or authoritarianism. People who expect a perfect political system have their expectations too high, they should instead look for the one that minimizes unnecessary harm, and I think history has shown us that our best bet is to try and improve democracy. 

I would say that one of the biggest threats to democracy is an uninformed citizenry, as has been pointed out by many commentators in the past. If people are educated poorly, they'll continue to make poor political choices--it's as simple as that. You say that the media is swaying politicians and people, but what you're describing actually sounds like the role of powerful corporations. I do agree that the media can influence people, though, which is why educating the citizenry is such a central issue (I think anyone on the political spectrum can agree that this matters but they disagree about the specifics). They need to develop strong critical thinking skills so they can assess the validity of all types of information, whatever the media, and learn how to make sound judgments. And not just education matters, ethics do too. Parents need to raise their children to be more ethical people so that future generations can try to mitigate the corruption in politics. The problem of corruption is also difficult for democracy, and might require some checks and balances to ward off its influence.  

If you think the system is a joke, that matters and deserves more of a response than political apathy. The more people who express the idea that democracy is flawed and get involved in hard conversations trying to understand why and how it can be improved, the more likely something will change in the future. But that will never happen if everyone chooses the same response of staying out of the system to play games. People don't even have to be in government to have those convos, good arguments should be infectious, and political movements can start with something as simple as people starting a conversation. 

It's indeed true that no one person can fix a political system, but ants don't do it either. Groups of people foster change, not so much individuals. It probably wouldn't be a strong system if one person had that much influence.  

1 hour ago, MasterOfAwesomeness said:

But people should be invested in politics and at least show some care into the matter.  You want to know why bad politicians get elected?  It's because not everyone in America votes which is a complete waste of a privilege. 

Also, some voters just don't have strong critical thinking skills and get swayed by demagoguery. 

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Allow me to further explain.

Why did I bother posting? It said "othrer, explain". Honestly, thats what i did. Isnt abstaining fron voting a concious political act?

I was not joking, I d MUCH rather play games than partake in such a broken down system. Or you could say the system is fine, its the people that are problematic.

Please keep me away from labels like anarchist or socialist etc. Those mean nothing to me. The only -ism you could pin on me is maybe annhilism and even that on a VERY limited scope.

Thank you for your replies and once again, my post was serious.

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1 hour ago, 13hr said:

Allow me to further explain.

Why did I bother posting? It said "othrer, explain". Honestly, thats what i did. Isnt abstaining fron voting a concious political act?

I was not joking, I d MUCH rather play games than partake in such a broken down system. Or you could say the system is fine, its the people that are problematic.

Please keep me away from labels like anarchist or socialist etc. Those mean nothing to me. The only -ism you could pin on me is maybe annhilism and even that on a VERY limited scope.

Thank you for your replies and once again, my post was serious.

Democracy isn't broken in your case, if you have the freedom to enjoy living out of poverty, use the internet without massive censorship, and play good video games. I think you mean the system is flawed, but I already said that any political system will have flaws and democracy is no exception, but it's still the one that produces the best results in the world today. You can't really talk about it being broken when there are much worse places to live like North Korea, where you can't even criticize bad government policies without severe repercussions.  

All we can really do is try to identify and mitigate the flaws of democracy. The trouble is, the system will continue to show its flaws unless people speak up about what those flaws are, and convince other people to do something about it using good arguments. You've mentioned the large influence as media as one such flaw, but you haven't stated how we can do better. Not allowing people to watch the media or restricting what the media says are totalitarian practices, a better solution would be to improve our educational system so that viewers don't brainlessly accept everything the media tells them. As I said, people need to develop strong critical thinking skills to sift junk information from good information.   

I wasn't applying an anarchist label to you, my point was that democracy is much better for the society that we enjoy today (and the society that produces quality games) than the alternatives, and we can't take that for granted. Even if there are flaws to the system, it's the lesser of evils and more stable than other forms of government. Totalitarian regimes strip you of basic rights, and anarchy is basically a non-starter because we must have restrictions on what people are allowed to do. 

What do you mean by annihilism? First I've heard of it. Is it one of the following two definitions?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=annihilism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annihilationism

In either case, your views are honestly disturbing... and if I were you, I'd consider rethinking them. 

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Since we don't normally have political posts here. Im interested to see where you guys show up in this test vs me. 

https://www.politicalcompass.org/test

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I think I did the test last year, lemme see if I can find it.

Ah. 

https://www.politicalcompass.org/chart?ec=-5.13&soc=-5.95

Now that I think about it, I'm a little surprised that it shows me a little deep in libertarian territory (some of the social libertarian values are easier to agree with than their economic values, so I guess this reflects that), but I'm definitely left-leaning, minus SJW levels of political correctness and fear of GMO's. 

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57 minutes ago, 13hr said:

Yep, that wiki link fits me but as i said in a VERY limited way.

But its OK, we can have our own views, its fine.

I don't see how it can apply in a limited way, can you elaborate? I think it's an either-or choice if you describe yourself as an annihiliationist. You either believe that humans are totally destroyed if they're outside salvation or you don't. It would be odd to say they're partially destroyed (by the way, this isn't really a political view). 

Personally I'm not religious at all. I know in America agnostics and atheists might not have the best rep, but in Canada it seems to be better. We can actually be nice people who don't eat babies. Also, it's an interesting fact that the amount of religious respect is declining for younger people:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/01/04/millennials-views-of-news-media-religious-organizations-grow-more-negative/

Hopefully we're not getting too off-topic here. Are we, MasterOfAwesomeness?

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I see, thanks for the heads up. I'll put the link here in case anyone wants to discuss. 

It claims he'll cut the head off ISIS, but that's just hot air. ISIS won't be defeated in the next presidential term. If you kill off some of the leaders, others will replace them. I think this is a complicated issue that will likely take a long time to overcome.

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