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The forum doesn't need to be revived, it can remain an echo chamber used by only the same 10 people. Nothing interesting goes on here - even DSP himself has been posting less and less here as time goes on.

A Discord would serve better, traditional forums were on the way out years ago and they're outdated at best now. Too vulnerable to data breaches as well.

The only people who still use the forum are quick to jump at eachother's throats, attacking eachother or aggressively defending something, and sometimes angrily shaking a stick at detractors. Nothing about it is appealing enough to bring in new faces.

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9 minutes ago, wheredoisignup said:

Too vulnerable to data breaches as well.

The only people who still use the forum are quick to jump at eachother's throats, attacking eachother or aggressively defending something, and sometimes angrily shaking a stick at detractors. Nothing about it is appealing enough to bring in new faces.

Would you mind explaining how would a data breach would occur in here? I know some other websites were hacked, resulting in a data breach, but only because they accessed some Staff/Administrator accounts. Would someone be able to do that in 'TKOHF'?

As for the second part, I'm not sure who you're talking about, but I for one, wouldn't attack aggressively anyone, like you're describing. If I say something you don't like, you can tell me no problem. You see, I'm totally friendly.

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This forum has never been hacked, aside from rogue mods posting porn and shit.

Some idiots from the kiwi forums claimed to have gotten personal information about members once, but it was bull.

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12 minutes ago, Nich2440 said:

This entire thread is the problem with the forums. Conspiracy theories and high school drama fights.

The biggest conspiracy theory in this thread was started by someone posting screenshots trying to taunt another user, but luckily these comments were stopped and refuted by Amity in a professional and competent way, as expected.

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Maybe revive Phil's channel first and people would actually care about this forum.

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1 hour ago, MoraMoria said:

and refuted by Amity in a professional and competent way, as expected.

" I smited them into oblivion" is professional? When you respond to childish smack talk with childish smack talk the entire conversation is, you guessed it,  childish smack talk. Why would anyone want to be a part of that? 

1 minute ago, KGhaleon said:

Maybe revive Phil's channel first and people would actually care about this forum.

Oof

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10 minutes ago, Nich2440 said:

" I smited them into oblivion" is professional? When you respond to childish smack talk with childish smack talk the entire conversation is, you guessed it,  childish smack talk. Why would anyone want to be a part of that? 

 

If you read Amity's answers in the previous page, you'll see that it swiftly and effortlessly takes down the other person's claims, then proceeds to state the obvious victory in the debate, and ends it with a merciful advice to the defeated foe, all in a marvelously elegant manner. What you're quoting is just the nail in the coffin.

19 minutes ago, AreaWolf said:

That was last year and involved a guy named IridiumViking right? I remember all that. Considering Phil apologized and I haven't heard from the Iridium guy since, couldn't of been total bullshit. Somebody was doxxed.

This forum doesn't need a revival, it needs a revamp and be retooled to invite criticism. Period. Not one hot/active thread in this forum today has anything to do with DarkSydePhil or any of his content. The only hot topics here are comics, movies, and random topics. You could go to any forum on the internet and discuss those things.

 

Anyone can be doxxed if they display vital or important information on a public forum or account, and this is the responsability of said person. However, if the information is not public, and someone manages to access and publish it, it would be considered a data breach, which is next to impossible, unless the doxxer takes control of an Administrator account, or something goes extremely wrong.

As for the second paragraph, there's a 'Suggestions' thread, and a 'Playthrough Request' thread, for example. You'd expect them to not be the hot/active ones for obvious reasons. I'm just adding this remark as something worth of reminding.

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If your dox is out there, anybody can get it with a google search. No dox was taken from these forums.

If there was a leak of personal data from here, it would have came up. There's no personal data stored on these forums except for your signup email.

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5 minutes ago, KGhaleon said:

If your dox is out there, anybody can get it with a google search. No dox was taken from these forums.

If there was a leak of personal data from here, it would have came up. There's no personal data stored on these forums except for your signup email.

And access to the IP, but to do that you need to be an Administrator, or do it in some other extremely unlikely method.

10 minutes ago, AreaWolf said:

So in other words, if I have a Facebook, Twitter, Instagram but I decide to signup to these forums with my online persona, these forums get doxxed and all my information gets out there via my IP, its MY FAULT because I should never use social networks when being a fan of DarkSydePhil?

That is absurd. And no wonder everyone left. 

Not everybody is a recluse, and some of us can only contact certain friends through social networks. I shouldn't be at fault because Phil does something or some idiot baits the detractor hive into doing something drastic in retaliation. Its the fault of the administrator for not having a secured forum.

Email and IP which is traceable to all the other sites you frequent which may have some private information. No personal information may be stored here, unless you choose to store it, but if this forum's security is so weak any amateur doxxer can get an email or an IP, it doesn't really matter.

I heard about this forum getting doxxed. I don't take Phil to be a man to apologize and throw one of his closest moderators out the fanbase if there wasn't a legitmate threat to somebody's or multiple peoples private information.

All there is in your account right now is your displayed name, (AreaWolf, public), your email, (currently private), and the IPs location, (approximate, in most cases), every time you logged in the forums, (private, only visible to the account user and Administrators).

If the forums get hacked, (if they somehow get Administrator access), the only way to link AreaWolf, and hence the IPs, to you in real life, would be by searching for your email address and finding it in your personal social media accounts. But if this happens, it's not only doxxing, it's a data breach. It's your fault if you get doxxed by displaying vital information publicly, and not your fault if you get doxxed because someone hacked the system. That would be on the security of the site and responsability of the Administrators, (this is why a data breach on this site has not happened).

Where is the evidence that the site's security is weak enough for someone to get private information of a user? And when has it happened? The forums never got doxxed as far as I'm concerned, if people were doxxed, is because they chose to share information that should've been private.

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33 minutes ago, AreaWolf said:

Ill send proof via PM with their identity redacted.

Edit: Sent. And thats why im 100% sure know somebody was definately doxxed on this forum.

And whatever happened there was because of incompetence.

No one has the interest of doxxing AreaWolf, you have done nothing foolish enough to be a target, and even if you were, they'd have to hack the entire forums. That's not happening, and even if it happened, no one would bother searching your email through the Internet, just to say that you, (with whatever personal information that you willingly linked in said account), are a fan of Phil.

The only way for you to be preoccupied about this is if they hack an Administrator account, they care enough to search for your email online to connect it to your personal one, and you're displaying some sort of eccentric behaviour/hobby that would make them eager to display this information, all of this at the same time. And if the third thing that I mentioned is true, you'd have a problem with random people on the Internet trying to doxx your personal account, completely unrelated to these forums.

Again, people doxxed on these forums, did foolish irresponsible things, not because of a data breach, but because of their own actions. And this is held true everywhere on the Internet.

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3 minutes ago, AreaWolf said:

So I went out of my way to send information that clearly stated the victim hasn't interacted with these forums in years and was randomly targeted because another fan was mocking detractors and you still misunderstand it? Okay. First of all thats no way in hell the victim is at fault just because they were prevalent here years ago and happen to have a personal Facebook account. Two, there is more evidence than not of this forum is vulnerable to such things. You're saying someone innocent would never be targeted, I showed you proof someone who hadnt had anything to do with this forum in years was a victim of doxxing when this forum was targeted. That tells me you don't want to believe it.

If you want to be an ostrich or plug your fingers in your ears despite me going out of my way showing you what im saying is real, thats on you. I know for a fact people here were doxxed for no reason of their own. People have approached me telling me I am correct, and if you Google any of this you will see my information lines up perfectly. I have nothing left to say on the subject, and please don't bother with a retort on this matter because it will just be ignored since you clearly ignored what I sent.

"So I went out of my way to send information that clearly stated the victim hasn't interacted with these forums in years and was randomly targeted because another fan was mocking detractors and you still misunderstand it? Okay."

I did not misunderstood a thing. The point I was making is that they only were able to access his/her information because of his/her carelessness. The information you sent me does not show how the doxxers acquired said information. Also, it seems that some of what was doxxed, (images), were obtained from his personal account that he/she had, and that presumably somehow linked it to his forum account. Basic precautions would've been sufficient to prevent this.

"First of all thats no way in hell the victim is at fault just because they were prevalent here years ago and happen to have a personal Facebook account."

You must have misunderstood my use of the word 'fault'. The use that I'm giving this word is synonymous with is 'accountability/responsability', which does not mean that the doxxer is morally justified to reveal the private information in question. In other words, if I myself post my email, or leave a trace that leads to my personal information that I do not want to be released for people to harass me, it's still my fault for this outcome, I'm responsible for taking this risk, even if negligible. The actions of the doxxers are questionable, and the actions of the harassers are disgusting, according to normal standards, but if I leave 'footprints' on the web, accessible to anyone, I'm responsible for taking this risk.

"Two, there is more evidence than not of this forum is vulnerable to such things."

If you have evidence of data breaches, and objective proof that the security is not enough, you will have a case, until then, you must carefully define what you mean by 'vulnerable'.

"You're saying someone innocent would never be targeted, I showed you proof someone who hadnt had anything to do with this forum in years was a victim of doxxing when this forum was targeted. That tells me you don't want to believe it."

Apparently this person was a target way before, (the reasons for this are not clear), and when they had an opportunity, they did their thing. What I said is that if they managed to hack the site, (unlikely), they wouldn't bother with random accounts, like you or me, but even if they did, what would make them want to doxx, is if there was a reason for it. And that reason is something that they find amusing or odd, if they don't find this reason they'd be unable to mess with you without looking moronic and obsessive. If they choose to harass you regardless, there must be something that fuels their obsession. And remember, this is only if they manage to actually hack the website, (hacking has not happened).

"If you want to be an ostrich or plug your fingers in your ears despite me going out of my way showing you what im saying is real, thats on you. I know for a fact people here were doxxed for no reason of their own. People have approached me telling me I am correct, and if you Google any of this you will see my information lines up perfectly."

What you're saying is real, but what caused it is what it is in question. If people were doxxed, you must state clearly how they got the doxxed person's information, because however you answer this question will determine who is at fault and responsible for it.

"I have nothing left to say on the subject, and please don't bother with a retort on this matter because it will just be ignored since you clearly ignored what I sent."

I did not ignore a thing of what you said, and let me add, I'm not trying to antagonize you, I'm merely discussing on this topic and presenting my reasoning. If you think that I'm 'plugging my ears', you must be under the wrong impression. That's fine, it usually happens on forums/social media conversations.

Anyway, have a nice day!

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4 hours ago, MoraMoria said:

Apparently this person was a target way before, (the reasons for this are not clear), and when they had an opportunity, they did their thing. What I said is that if they managed to hack the site, (unlikely), they wouldn't bother with random accounts, like you or me, but even if they did, what would make them want to doxx, is if there was a reason for it. And that reason is something that they find amusing or odd, if they don't find this reason they'd be unable to mess with you without looking moronic and obsessive.

You do not know KF.

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Keep going though. We are enjoying this autistic slapfight.

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33 minutes ago, AreaWolf said:

It really is pointless and and a waste of time here.

It really is. The main people left here don't even watch DSP and post comments with the same level of stupidity as the detractors.

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3 hours ago, AreaWolf said:

TL;DR

I said don't bother with a retort, but you can't even understand that part either. Oh well. As long as I didnt waste anytime.

Anyways I think the @Nich2440 guy may have a point. These arguments (especially when there are parties that can't comprehend simple facts and instructions) may be the problem. I will try to refrain from such behavior. It really is pointless and and a waste of time here.

I expect to be able to present my reasoning in a conversation, without having the other to shut me down and forbid me from replying. So you end it with an 'ad hominem' and 'ad silentio', well, it was fun talking to you, regardless.

3 hours ago, HappyFaceMask said:

You do not know KF.

Keep going though. We are enjoying this autistic slapfight.

It seems that a debate/conversation on the Internet when both parties don't agree is a 'slapfight' to you, that's a shame.

3 hours ago, dsfan324 said:

It really is. The main people left here don't even watch DSP and post comments with the same level of stupidity as the detractors.

You can call me stupid, I don't mind, but for that to hold ground, you'll have to point out where was I being stupid or ignorant. If you can convince me that my argument is flawed, I'll likely consider to change my opinion, but if you passively insult me, then that's a real time waster.

So anyways, my pleasure talking to you.

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1 hour ago, MoraMoria said:

You can call me stupid, I don't mind, but for that to hold ground, you'll have to point out where was I being stupid or ignorant. If you can convince me that my argument is flawed, I'll likely consider to change my opinion, but if you passively insult me, then that's a real time waster.

So anyways, my pleasure talking to you.

No one mentioned specifically you, relax.

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1 hour ago, Amityville said:

All that needs to be said is... this...

Goodnight and god bless. :happy:

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Again. A tweet I made publicly. What's your point? Everyone, even Phil, is aware I stopped watching his content. I haven't said anything about him or to him in months.

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But this is what I mean. This entire first thread was a drama fight without any input from me. No one wants to be a part of that.

Anyways I just decided to stop by because I saw people talking about me behind my back. Peace.

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10 minutes ago, Nich2440 said:

But this is what I mean. This entire first thread was a drama fight without any input from me. No one wants to be a part of that.

Anyways I just decided to stop by because I saw people talking about me behind my back. Peace.

So a debate is a drama fight. :laugh:Hoped you enjoyed being exposed by me, does seem you are still upset by it.

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22 minutes ago, Nich2440 said:

But this is what I mean. This entire first thread was a drama fight without any input from me. No one wants to be a part of that.

Anyways I just decided to stop by because I saw people talking about me behind my back. Peace.

Also would just like to say, you stopped by because you are still lurking and feel guilty about turning your back on Phil. This wouldn't have happened if you were truly above him, and didn't feel massively hypocritical about doing an "ask me anything" to detractors.

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21 minutes ago, Amityville said:

So a debate is a drama fight. :laugh:Hoped you enjoyed being exposed by me, does seem you are still upset by it.

You exposed things that I publicly addressed. Good job.

1 minute ago, Amityville said:

Also would just like to say, you stopped by because you are still lurking and feel guilty about turning your back on Phil. This wouldn't have happened if you were truly above him, and didn't feel massively hypocritical about doing an "ask me anything" to detractors.

The post you made about me was half a month ago. This was my first time stopping by in a while.

 

And no. I don't regret anything.

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21 minutes ago, Nich2440 said:

You exposed things that I publicly addressed. Good job.

The post you made about me was half a month ago. This was my first time stopping by in a while.

 

And no. I don't regret anything.

Unfortunately for you, they were only things you addressed after social media exposed your identity. 

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21 minutes ago, Nich2440 said:

You exposed things that I publicly addressed. Good job.

Even by that logic, if that's all Amity did, then it's not starting drama about you, it would be just an observation of factual evidence.

Anyways, if you were Phil, how would you improve the forums?

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1 hour ago, MoraMoria said:

Even by that logic, if that's all Amity did, then it's not starting drama about you, it would be just an observation of factual evidence.

Anyways, if you were Phil, how would you improve the forums?

Remove Nich?

Not saying Phil SHOULD of course, but if someone went to detractors to "spill the beans" on being a fan, it's a bit weird to keep him around, ya know?

If I was bored of Phil, convinced he was lying, part of the corporate elite, or whatever else is being accused of him - I would just leave and not come back.

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