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Phil dont you ever get tired of talking 45mins - 1 hour straight before every stream? Why dont you just prerecord the plugs segment and play it instead of saying it every day? Lets say its an hour, so during your 6 day week of streaming thats 6 hours of prestream talk. Whenever I go to Phil's chat, half of them are telling him to start the game lol

 

Maybe someone can enlighten me if there is a legitimate reason as to why, thanks. 

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They already asked a variation of this question several times over the months.

At some point he said that the length of the Prestream was up to the ones who contribute, it could be very short/long depending on them, and that they should be used to it. He does this because now he's interactive, so the Shoutout section is a must; the Initial one is also necessary to him, because he talks about the games, maybe some news, (briefly), & schedule.

Now for the Plug segment, he thinks, (from what I've heard him say), that they do not take any considerable amount of time, and that it'll remind people what are the ways, and the best ones for contribution, (for new people & not-regulars). Phil thinks that he needs to do this, which is why he made the sarcastic comment: "gratuitous plug-segment", as if it's not in his hands.

As for your suggestion, pre-recording this segment wouldn't be ideal. Most people don't like it already, doing this will surely make some leave the stream, or make it feel cheap. If they're tolerating this, they must feel that at least the streamer is making some sort of effort, or else it will be a joke.

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It gotten worse btw. Now he started the segment with “10 years ago...”.  Hes telling his life story history everyday the same way. He still do shoutouts during gameplay anyway, theres no point prolonging prestream for shoutouts.

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WAIT A MINUTE

The prestreams make him over half the money of the first stream because that is where the kids get the most attention. Lots of his contributors are trolls and on the prestreams they have the best opportunity to ask him troll questions and get long elaborated answers and rants. Same reason why chill streams are so successful at interactions.

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8 hours ago, Cappuccino said:

It gotten worse btw. Now he started the segment with “10 years ago...”.  Hes telling his life story history everyday the same way. He still do shoutouts during gameplay anyway, theres no point prolonging prestream for shoutouts.

11 years* (fixed).  The daily retelling of his history as 'a content creator' could easily be removed.  People coming to watch a game on Twitch aren't there to hear the life story of the streamer everyday nor do they care.  New viewers joining the stream during the lengthy prestream most likely wander off to watch streams that are engaged in gameplay.  A good bit of the negative blowback could be eliminated by placing the 'prestream' in the 'Just Chatting' section on Twitch.  Streamers who do have prolonged 'prestreams' start their streams in the 'Just Chatting' section for this reason.  

17 hours ago, MoraMoria said:

They already asked a variation of this question several times over the months.

At some point he said that the length of the Prestream was up to the ones who contribute, it could be very short/long depending on them, and that they should be used to it. He does this because now he's interactive, so the Shoutout section is a must; the Initial one is also necessary to him, because he talks about the games, maybe some news, (briefly), & schedule.

Now for the Plug segment, he thinks, (from what I've heard him say), that they do not take any considerable amount of time, and that it'll remind people what are the ways, and the best ones for contribution, (for new people & not-regulars). Phil thinks that he needs to do this, which is why he made the sarcastic comment: "gratuitous plug-segment", as if it's not in his hands.

As for your suggestion, pre-recording this segment wouldn't be ideal. Most people don't like it already, doing this will surely make some leave the stream, or make it feel cheap. If they're tolerating this, they must feel that at least the streamer is making some sort of effort, or else it will be a joke.

The prestream could be encapsulated into the 30min of music played everyday before the start of the live portion of the prestream ( the pre-prestream?).  Insert a card of the stream schedule that is posted daily on Twitter into the pre-prestream slideshow.  This takes care of the 'Week-in-Preview' section of the prestream.  There are already cards in the slideshow detailing methods of contributions as well as the information being posted on the channel page.   Add a card informing viewers that Tipping is preferred?  This is, however, repeated often during the gameplay portion of the stream.  Shout-outs for Cheers, Subs and Tips are given during gameplay as they are received.  Contributions made during the shortened prestream could be acknowledged while starting the day's gameplay.  I will at this time point out that streamers who do have a prestream segment use this time to set-up which allows them time to fiddle with co-op voicechat/deal with any tech difficulties that may arise.  This is the only stream I have seen where the streamer has a 'prestream', but waits until after ending said lengthy segment of slideshow cards to set-up their stream/set-up co-op voicechat/deal with tech issues/game updates.

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18 hours ago, MoraMoria said:

They already asked a variation of this question several times over the months.

At some point he said that the length of the Prestream was up to the ones who contribute, it could be very short/long depending on them, and that they should be used to it. He does this because now he's interactive, so the Shoutout section is a must; the Initial one is also necessary to him, because he talks about the games, maybe some news, (briefly), & schedule.

Now for the Plug segment, he thinks, (from what I've heard him say), that they do not take any considerable amount of time, and that it'll remind people what are the ways, and the best ones for contribution, (for new people & not-regulars). Phil thinks that he needs to do this, which is why he made the sarcastic comment: "gratuitous plug-segment", as if it's not in his hands.

As for your suggestion, pre-recording this segment wouldn't be ideal. Most people don't like it already, doing this will surely make some leave the stream, or make it feel cheap. If they're tolerating this, they must feel that at least the streamer is making some sort of effort, or else it will be a joke.

This is how I feel, if you feel ashamed or embarrassed about doing something then you have no business doing it. If he knows that people dislike the plugs segment, or when he says the sarcastic "gratuitous plugs" to me that means he is at least embarrassed about saying it, then don't do it. Prestreams should be 15-30 max, if there is contributions then say it when the gameplay starts, like others said before I dont need to hear about the 11 year legacy every day, sure it might be ok maybe once a month but every day? I like Phil but this part of his content is so odd and weird.

 

Hopefully he can take this advice and use it

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People who throw money at streamers are just there to throw money. They don't care what Phil streams. The plug segment about his history and how to tip is for these people. They throw money at someone just to get noticed by another person and get some minimal human interaction. This segment is to give them the acknowledgment they want so badly.

Prestreams, plugs, chill streams, these are all things for the people who throw money at him.

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I would describe Phil's streaming style as very inefficient and clunky. It feels like how a lot of the other streamers I watch did it when they were first starting out, except Phil's been doing it for years and just hasn't changed much. It's like other people said, a lot of the information in presteams is either unnecessary or can be delivered more succinctly. Everything in the plugs segment is already on cards during the prestream so that can be cut out entirely. Schedule updates are already on Twitter and his twitter is on cards in the prestream so that can be cut out. Shoutouts can and should be done as the come in rather than letting it build over 20 minutes. Hell, most of the stuff in prestreams could be used aa conversation topics during the stream itself. There's a lot of room for improvement.

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10 hours ago, Mikleo said:

If you're ever there for the game, just come by 2 hours late. It's been getting that bad. 

Yep. I came to stream like 20 or 30 minutes late a few times and expected him to at least be talking but it was still that YouTube playlist music. Now if I feel like catching a stream, I show up way later. I don't want to hear the schedule, origin story, and plugs on repeat. And the answers to the contributions often feel way too long-winded to me.

 

Want to watch gameplay stream, show up 1.5 to 2 hours late. You won't miss too much. Otherwise, just watch on YouTube for stuff if you don't care about the stream or to watch stuff you missed when showing up late.

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The prestreams and the "clunky" way he does things in general are parts of his shtick that differentiates him from others and why these certain people stick to him and donate. Not going into details but that shtick makes those people feel better about themselves and that's why they support him.

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1 hour ago, ElectricSheepDreams said:

The prestream could be encapsulated into the 30min of music played everyday before the start of the live portion of the prestream ( the pre-prestream?).  Insert a card of the stream schedule that is posted daily on Twitter into the pre-prestream slideshow.  This takes care of the 'Week-in-Preview' section of the prestream.  There are already cards in the slideshow detailing methods of contributions as well as the information being posted on the channel page.   Add a card informing viewers that Tipping is preferred?  This is, however, repeated often during the gameplay portion of the stream.  Shout-outs for Cheers, Subs and Tips are given during gameplay as they are received.  Contributions made during the shortened prestream could be acknowledged while starting the day's gameplay.  I will at this time point out that streamers who do have a prestream segment use this time to set-up which allows them time to fiddle with co-op voicechat/deal with any tech difficulties that may arise.  This is the only stream I have seen where the streamer has a 'prestream', but waits until after ending said lengthy segment of slideshow cards to set-up their stream/set-up co-op voicechat/deal with tech issues/game updates.

 

15 minutes ago, Puggy said:

I would describe Phil's streaming style as very inefficient and clunky. It feels like how a lot of the other streamers I watch did it when they were first starting out, except Phil's been doing it for years and just hasn't changed much. It's like other people said, a lot of the information in presteams is either unnecessary or can be delivered more succinctly. Everything in the plugs segment is already on cards during the prestream so that can be cut out entirely. Schedule updates are already on Twitter and his twitter is on cards in the prestream so that can be cut out. Shoutouts can and should be done as the come in rather than letting it build over 20 minutes. Hell, most of the stuff in prestreams could be used aa conversation topics during the stream itself. There's a lot of room for improvement.

Some good points and ideas in these posts. Things can definitely be improved a whole lot more. As for the relatively recent inclusion of his story about becoming a streamer, put that on the website. Actually, revamp the website so the forum is just a section. Removing that front page was a step back. That streamer story could go in the "about" section or something. Could have the front page of the site be the upcoming schedule as well. Or what games will be played in the future. The information delivery going on now could be overhauled to help with some kind of growth.

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Guys there's a reason why the plugs come just before shoutouts. Unless a lot of people (means people who donate) complain it's not going to change. So far I'm not aware those people complained. If a lot of people cheer and tip that they want the plugs go away then it will go away. But those people come to the prestreams to listen to the same stuff every day. They think it's funny, the plugs became a meme.

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This is just supply and demand.

There's a reason Phil does this, and no "good" reason to stop, right now.

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AngriestPat and his girlfriend do the same thing. It's perfectly fine to show up an hour into the stream because they usually don't start by that time.

 

I don't think this is specific to DSP.

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I forgot, according to Phil, today's "Saucy Friday". How come he doesn't do this after the 1st stream?

This strange phenomenon in Phil's schedule is very funny to me, I've never heard of this. To show up late because of it, and people having in mind that it's "Saucy Friday", it made me giggle a bit.

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12 minutes ago, MoraMoria said:

I forgot, according to Phil, today's "Saucy Friday". How come he doesn't do this after the 1st stream?

This strange phenomenon in Phil's schedule is very funny to me, I've never heard of this. To show up late because of it, and people having in mind that it's "Saucy Friday", it made me giggle a bit.

It apparently can't be done after the first stream because its a very long process. If I recall correctly, its about 4 or 5 hours of work for the sauce or something like that. So to make sure prep is done he has delay his stream and then take more frequent breaks when he is streaming so he can stir.

 

Maybe I'm mistaken though and Phil can clarify why its not done at another time.

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12 hours ago, KGhaleon said:

AngriestPat and his girlfriend do the same thing. It's perfectly fine to show up an hour into the stream because they usually don't start by that time.

 

I don't think this is specific to DSP.

Did they tag it as just chatting? If they did then im ok with it. But if they didnt and use game tags while rambling for hours then no, its not fine.

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Recently 2 "trolls" cheered around $200. Even repeating the plugs every day isn't enough to let all people know that tipping helps the most. The question should be how can Phil convince more people to tip.

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15 hours ago, babymangming456 said:

Recently 2 "trolls" cheered around $200. Even repeating the plugs every day isn't enough to let all people know that tipping helps the most. The question should be how can Phil convince more people to tip.

So why do you think that they don't tip, (despite being told that is better)?

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5 minutes ago, MoraMoria said:

So why do you think that they don't tip, (despite being told that is better)?

Think of it this way, if I spend $1.40 on 100 bits I can cheer up to 100 times. A tip has to be at least $1 each time. Which is the better value to me? $1.40 for up to 100 separate cheers or $1 for one tip?

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4 minutes ago, Puggy said:

Think of it this way, if I spend $1.40 on 100 bits I can cheer up to 100 times. A tip has to be at least $1 each time. Which is the better value to me? $1.40 for up to 100 separate cheers or $1 for one tip?

Yeah, but in his streams you have to cheer a certain amount, (I forgot if it's 50 or 100), for him to read it.

It makes sense what you say if they use it for other streams in which a 1 bit-cheer is read by the streamer. (But that's not very common, right?)

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9 hours ago, MoraMoria said:

So why do you think that they don't tip

Since they are high IQ trolls I guess it's to get cheer badges to get protection against being banned. With their names they would be normally banned before they could post a thing in the chat.

Cheering gives more benefits: cheer badge (gives higher status in the community, can act as ban protection),  place on a weekly leaderboard

Tip: only being the top tipper of the day

If someone wants to be a part of the streamer's "cult" cheering and subbing is the way to go.

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If you were a top cheerer that might be true, but I doubt most streamers would give a shit if they had reason to ban you.

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On 8/23/2019 at 4:18 PM, Another_Derich said:

Yep. I came to stream like 20 or 30 minutes late a few times and expected him to at least be talking but it was still that YouTube playlist music.

This is also so very odd, he is literally the only person I've seen play 30 minutes of music only to do another 1 hour of pre stream of him talking. 

 

I should of known it was money related tbh, if he is making a lot of money during this prestream malarkey than it makes sense to keep it

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